diff --git a/apps/desktopgui/build.xml b/apps/desktopgui/build.xml
index baf8d04c1..c6858086f 100644
--- a/apps/desktopgui/build.xml
+++ b/apps/desktopgui/build.xml
@@ -43,6 +43,27 @@
             </javac>
         </target>
 
+        <!-- exclude router classes, for i2psnark standalone -->
+        <target name="compile-external" depends="init">
+            <javac debug="true" deprecation="on" source="${javac.version}" target="${javac.version}"
+                       release="${javac.release}"
+                       includeAntRuntime="false"
+                       encoding="UTF-8"
+                       sourcepath=""
+                       srcdir="${src}" destdir="${build}">
+                <compilerarg line="${javac.compilerargs}" />
+                <include name="**/*.java" />
+                <exclude name="**/InternalTrayManager.java" />
+                <exclude name="**/Main.java" />
+                <exclude name="**/RouterManager.java" />
+                <classpath>
+                    <pathelement location="../../core/java/build/i2p.jar" />
+                    <pathelement location="../../installer/lib/wrapper/all/wrapper.jar" />
+                    <pathelement location="../systray/java/build/systray.jar" />
+                </classpath>
+            </javac>
+        </target>
+
         <target name="bundle" unless="no.bundle" depends="init">
             <exec executable="sh" osfamily="unix" failifexecutionfails="true" failonerror="${require.gettext}" >
                 <env key="JAVA_HOME" value="${java.home}" />
@@ -84,7 +105,7 @@
             </exec>
 	</target>
 
-	<target name="jar" depends="compile, bundle, listChangedFiles" unless="jar.uptodate" >
+	<target name="jar" depends="compile, bundle, listChangedFiles" >
 		<!-- set if unset -->
 		<property name="workspace.changes.tr" value="" />
                 <!-- ideal for linux: 24x24, but transparency doesn't work -->
@@ -106,6 +127,29 @@
 		</jar>
 	</target>
 
+        <!-- exclude router classes, for i2psnark standalone -->
+	<target name="jar-external" depends="compile-external, bundle, listChangedFiles" >
+		<!-- set if unset -->
+		<property name="workspace.changes.tr" value="" />
+                <!-- ideal for linux: 24x24, but transparency doesn't work -->
+                <copy tofile="${build}/desktopgui/resources/images/logo.png" file="../../apps/routerconsole/jsp/themes/console/images/itoopie_xsm.png" />
+                <copy todir="${build}/desktopgui/resources/images" file="images/itoopie_black_24.png" />
+                <copy todir="${build}/desktopgui/resources/images" file="images/itoopie_white_24.png" />
+		<jar basedir="${build}" excludes="messages-src/** **/router/* **/Internal* **/Main*" destfile="${dist}/${jar}">
+			<manifest>
+				<attribute name="Main-Class" value="net.i2p.desktopgui.ExternalMain"/>
+				<attribute name="${manifest.classpath.name}" value="i2p.jar" />
+				<attribute name="Implementation-Version" value="${full.version}" />
+				<attribute name="Built-By" value="${build.built-by}" />
+				<attribute name="Build-Date" value="${build.timestamp}" />
+				<attribute name="Base-Revision" value="${workspace.version}" />
+				<attribute name="Workspace-Changes" value="${workspace.changes.tr}" />
+				<attribute name="X-Compile-Source-JDK" value="${javac.version}" />
+				<attribute name="X-Compile-Target-JDK" value="${javac.version}" />
+			</manifest>
+		</jar>
+	</target>
+
     <target name="jarUpToDate">
         <uptodate property="jar.uptodate" targetfile="${dist}/${jar}" >
             <srcfiles dir= "." includes="build/**/*.class" />
diff --git a/apps/desktopgui/src/net/i2p/desktopgui/ExternalTrayManager.java b/apps/desktopgui/src/net/i2p/desktopgui/ExternalTrayManager.java
index b54a1e546..019c8e708 100644
--- a/apps/desktopgui/src/net/i2p/desktopgui/ExternalTrayManager.java
+++ b/apps/desktopgui/src/net/i2p/desktopgui/ExternalTrayManager.java
@@ -5,13 +5,14 @@ import java.awt.PopupMenu;
 import java.awt.TrayIcon;
 import java.awt.event.ActionEvent;
 import java.awt.event.ActionListener;
+import java.lang.reflect.Method;
 
 import javax.swing.JMenuItem;
 import javax.swing.JPopupMenu;
 import javax.swing.SwingWorker;
 
 import net.i2p.I2PAppContext;
-import net.i2p.desktopgui.router.RouterManager;
+//import net.i2p.desktopgui.router.RouterManager;
 
 /**
  *  When started before the router, e.g. with
@@ -35,7 +36,13 @@ class ExternalTrayManager extends TrayManager {
                 new SwingWorker<Object, Object>() {
                     @Override
                     protected Object doInBackground() throws Exception {
-                        RouterManager.start();
+                        // Use reflection to compile without router classes for external-only
+                        //RouterManager.start();
+                        try {
+                            Class mgr = Class.forName("net.i2p.desktopgui.router.RouterManager");
+                            Method start = mgr.getMethod("start", new Class[0]);
+                            start.invoke(mgr);
+                        } catch (Exception e) {}
                         return null;
                     }
                     
diff --git a/build.xml b/build.xml
index 75f49a2fb..b30f8b66f 100644
--- a/build.xml
+++ b/build.xml
@@ -385,6 +385,12 @@
         <copy file="apps/desktopgui/dist/desktopgui.jar" todir="build/" />
     </target>
 
+    <!-- exclude router dependencies, for i2psnark standalone -->
+    <target name="buildDesktopGui-external" depends="buildCore, buildSystray" >
+        <ant dir="apps/desktopgui" target="jar-external" />
+        <copy file="apps/desktopgui/dist/desktopgui.jar" todir="build/" />
+    </target>
+
     <target name="buildRouterConsole" depends="buildrouter, buildSystray, buildDesktopGui, buildJetty, buildJrobin" >
         <ant dir="apps/routerconsole/java/" target="jar" />
     </target>
@@ -2390,7 +2396,7 @@
     </target> -->
 
     <!-- standalone i2psnark zip -->
-    <target name="i2psnark" depends="buildStreaming, buildJetty, buildSystray, jbigi, buildDesktopGui" >
+    <target name="i2psnark" depends="buildStreaming, buildJetty, buildSystray, jbigi, buildDesktopGui-external" >
         <ant dir="apps/i2psnark/java" target="standalone" />
         <copy file="apps/i2psnark/java/build/i2psnark-standalone.zip" todir="." />
     </target>
@@ -2400,7 +2406,7 @@
     </target>
 
     <!-- standalone susimail zip -->
-    <target name="susimail" depends="buildStreaming, buildJetty, buildSystray, jbigi, buildDesktopGui" >
+    <target name="susimail" depends="buildStreaming, buildJetty, buildSystray, jbigi, buildDesktopGui-external" >
         <ant dir="apps/susimail" target="standalone" />
         <copy file="apps/susimail/build/susimail-standalone.zip" todir="." />
     </target>